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Ancient and modern religions both tend to be quite anthropocentric. A lot of them teach that humans are special, and that the gods themselves are more or less human in form. I remember reading in college about the Greek philosopher Xenophanes' idea that, if horses or lions could draw and sculpt, their gods would have the forms of their own species. That makes sense to me. Of course, there ARE some animal gods that human societies have worshiped. The ancient Egyptians had quite a few deities who were animals, or at least had the heads of animals. Caesar Augustus was said to have sneered at this, saying that "Romans worship gods, not animals."

The creation of mankind is generally an important part of any myth cycle, and it's usually separate from and more significant than the creation of animals. It's also typical for raw materials to be involved. According to the Norse myths, the first humans were made from an ash and elm tree. I believe I've heard of others where people were made from corn, and of course the Bible reports that Adam was made of dirt. I've never been entirely sure why fundamentalists object so highly to the idea that they were descended from monkeys (not that that's what the theory of evolution actually says, but that seems to be what a lot of them think), yet have no problem with their ancestor coming from dirt. I mean, it beats coming out of a giant's armpit, but if I had my choice of what I wanted my ancestors to have been, I'd probably choose chimps over soil. But then, the fundamentalists also want humans to believe that we have dominion over the Earth (which is part of why we shouldn't worry about global warming or endangered species), yet we're also all filthy sinners. I'm not sure why we're supposed to be higher than animals, when they're apparently not sinning (although some of them are allegedly "unclean" due simply to what sort of animal they are). I guess the explanation would be that humans have the ability to overcome their sin, while animals lack the brainpower to do so. Personally, I don't buy that people are inherently bad, but I don't know that we're inherently GOOD, either. I think we're inclined toward compassion and altruism, yet we're also quite selfish when it suits us (and sometimes even when it doesn't). I'm hardly an expert on human nature, but I think we all the capacity to do what would be considered both good and evil.

In some ways, I have to say I like the Hindu belief in reincarnation, which seems less wasteful than the idea of souls going to some mystical realm for all eternity. Instead, they're recycled, and souls can belong to both humans and animals. I believe that there's still an idea that humans are higher, and that being reincarnated as an animal is a regression, but it still suggests that humans and animals really aren't that different.

Date: 2008-09-21 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slfcllednowhere.livejournal.com
although some of them are allegedly "unclean" due simply to what sort of animal they are

I read this thing yesterday about there being a fatwa on Mickey Mouse now. Apparently in Islam mice are considered evil and called the "little corrupters." The idea that there's something inherently wrong with just certain animals doesn't really make sense to me.

Date: 2008-09-21 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Yeah, is the idea that God created them to be bad, or that Satan/Iblis created them behind God's back? I'm really not sure how a mouse has the chance to be an instrument of Satan, what with their spending their time biting and pooping. Or maybe that's what Satan WANTS them to do.

Date: 2008-09-21 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slfcllednowhere.livejournal.com
Or maybe that's what Satan WANTS them to do.

Haha it probably is. Yeh I don't know. The article says they're controlled by Satan but doesn't specify how they were created.

Date: 2008-09-21 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
But we all know that mice are actually hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings here on Earth to learn the Ultimate Question, right?

Date: 2008-09-21 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slfcllednowhere.livejournal.com
Heh, I'm not sure how many fundamentalist Muslims (or fundamentalist anythings) are reading Douglas Adams.

Date: 2008-09-21 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
Well, duh, they bite and they spread disease. It makes sense from a historical viewpoint that they'd be considered evil. What doesn't make sense is why that would suddenly be a new thing!

Date: 2008-09-21 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Maybe it just took the fundamentalist Muslims this long to realize Mickey was supposed to be a mouse. He doesn't look much like one, after all.

Date: 2008-09-21 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
But then, the fundamentalists also want humans to believe that we have dominion over the Earth (which is part of why we shouldn't worry about global warming or endangered species)

AUGGHHH, my biggest fundamentalist-misunderstanding pet peeve of all! YES, humans have dominion over all creation-- that's because we, of all other species, are the ones whose choices and actions have the most impact on the total ecology! "Dominion" doesn't mean "Fascist Dictatorship!" "Dominion" could just as easily mean "Responsible Stewardship!"

rah-rah Christian Left!

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