It Ain't Necessarily So

[vovat]

I just recently finished reading The Bible As History, by Ian Wilson. This book describes the historical context of the material in the Bible, provides information on archaeological discoveries pertaining to the book, and suggests possible historical explanations for some of the odder stories. The introduction mentions the maximalist and minimalist schools of thought on the Bible, with the former thinking it's basically (although generally not totally) true, and the latter dismissing much of it as fiction. I was actually thinking about this before reading the book, and I think there are actually several more levels involved. If you take, say, the Sodom and Gomorrah story, you have some people who think it's literally true, and others who think it's fiction designed to promote a moral (which is apparently the approach taken by a History Channel special that bethje saw). But there are a few other positions in between those two, including the possibility that they were actual places destroyed by a volcano or an earthquake rather than the wrath of God (a suggestion made in the book), or even that the story is very loosely based on fact but with most of the details changed (for instance, there could have been some cities that were actually totally destroyed, but they weren't called Sodom and Gomorrah, and might not have even been located in the Canaan region). [1] Wilson, a Catholic, admits that he's often more on the maximilist side, but he's certainly no fundamentalist. He admits when the evidence for a particular figure or event is scant (like it is for Moses) or non-existent outside the Bible itself (as for Abraham). There apparently is archaeological evidence for a chieftain named Jacob who lived in Canaan and Egypt, however, which I found interesting. As might be expected, the author's approach becomes closer to regarding the Bible as literal truth once he gets into the New Testament. In the final chapter, he takes more of an opinionated and preachy tone, but I get the impression that inserting some personal thoughts into the end of a largely factual book isn't uncommon. I get the impression that I don't quite agree with Wilson politically, considering his mention that "Bible education is being replaced in our schools with ever-more liberal sex education" [2], but that doesn't diminish my appreciation for the book in general.

And now to turn our attention to someone who makes maximalists look like minimalists, here's the newest Chick Tract. Like "The Execution", it's a really strained attempt at allegory, which fails because: 1) the scenario is too ridiculous to ever happen in real life, and 2) some of the elements don't really match up. If Chick is always repeating that no human could ever have the same kind of love that Christ does for mankind, why does he keep coming up with these metaphorical human stand-ins for Jesus? I do find it interesting that, in light of Jack's opinions on psychology and science, he seems to be largely in favor of medicine. Doctors are often the Good Guys in his comics. Maybe it's because he realizes the debt he owes to medical science for living as long as he has (assuming he IS still alive), but it's not like Chick has never taken a hypocritical position before.

And for any of you who care, I have written some stuff about my Disney World honeymoon. Beth has said she wants to add some stuff to it, though, and I don't think she's had the chance yet. I have five entries planned (one for each day), and they should be up soon.

[1] A while back, I came across a web page that argued that Sodom was destroyed in a nuclear war. I'm not sure whether or not this was a joke, but considering some of the stuff I've read about space aliens building the pyramids and egg-laying hermaphrodites inhabiting the lost continent of Lemuria, I wouldn't be too surprised if someone actually believes it.
[2] I have to wonder what schools are teaching the kind of sex education that conservatives are so afraid of. In seventeen years of public education, we mostly just identified the vas deferens and uterus on diagrams, and even that required our parents' permission. We did learn how to put on a condom, but they never gave us any free ones. Maybe they would have if we had asked, but as I had as much use for them as a frost dragon does for an ice machine, so I never bothered to find out. But the point is, we were never ENCOURAGED to have sex, any more than we were forced by science teachers to swear an oath of allegiance to Charles Darwin.

Comments

[yosef.livejournal.com]

wow, that Chick Tract was more ridiculous than I ever could have imagined. Why would the guy, who's surely very aware that his life could be over any second, turn on the doctor like that after the janitor made one vague comment? Is that sort of euphoria stage even a real thing that happens in diseases? And why is the doctor so calm after losing his son in a car wreck?! I know he's supposed to be God the Father in this analogy... but yeah, you're right that humans standing in for God shouldn't really work for Chick. I also like that all Swiss medical institutes are in the Alps during winter. I mean, maybe there are some there, but I feel like they'd be a little less remote in real life.

[vovat.livejournal.com]

I have to suspect that Swiss guy would make more money selling his cure to a pharmaceutical company or something than distributing it through the black market. Unless it's one of those cures THEY don't want you to know about. :P

Why would the guy, who's surely very aware that his life could be over any second, turn on the doctor like that after the janitor made one vague comment?

He's apparently never heard of asking for a second opinion.

RE: "ever more liberal sex education"

[onesto-hotel.livejournal.com]

...I never saw a real, live condom until I went to college. (Where there were basically handing them out to everyone, courtesy of "condom fairies"--go figure.) Ohio is under abstinence-only sex education. We didn't learn anything about sex, but we did get MAC cards ("Marriage And Commitment"), which we were supposed to sign and then give to our spouses to show that we had "saved ourself for marriage".

As for Chick Tracts...I am not touching that with a ten foot pole. Or 20 foot. Unless I had a lit match at the end of the pole, in which case...

Re: "ever more liberal sex education"

[vovat.livejournal.com]

I think the first time I saw a condom in school was in my college health class. There was a station where we were supposed to put it on a model of a penis (and some of the other students made some immature comments), and the professor filled one with water. I do remember watching a video in ninth grade where Magic Johnson discussed condoms, though.

Teaching in public schools to "save yourself for marriage" strikes me as not really adhering to the separation of church and state. It's religion (and not every religion) that teaches that marriage results in God allowing two people to fool around. From a secular standpoint, saving yourself for marriage means you're not supposed to have sex until the government says so, and while believers might be comfortable with giving God that authority, I don't think anyone is okay with granting it to the state.

Re: "ever more liberal sex education"

[onesto-hotel.livejournal.com]

I recall not being bothered by it at the time, but the more I thought about it as I got older, the more it bothered me. I don't think they ever explicitly cited the bible or anything as a reason to do this, but the marriage cards did have a picture of a white dove with rays of light radiating out from behind it, which seems rather suspicious...

I guess I started thinking about gay people too, who aren't allowed to marry (at least not where I live). Saving yourself for marriage? Um...they're not allowed to get married. Then again, the religious-affiliated groups putting on all these programs aren't really bothered by issues of gay rights. The program was basically operating on the assumption that the only possible relationship that wasn't inherently wrong was that of a man and wife in wedlock.

Re: "ever more liberal sex education"

[vovat.livejournal.com]

Yes, I think the idea that gay people can never morally have sex is exactly the result that the religious groups want to achieve. What these people aren't considering, though, is that gay sex never results in unwanted pregnancies.

Not only does the "save yourself for marriage" philosophy not account for homosexuals and heterosexuals who are in committed relationships without being married, but it can also be problematic in the opposite way. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are married and sexually irresponsible; marriage is hardly a magic medicine that eradicates unsafe sex. And none of this is even considering how a lot of kids brought up on abstinence-only education have a lot of oral and anal sex and claim it doesn't count.

Re: "ever more liberal sex education"

[onesto-hotel.livejournal.com]

And none of this is even considering how a lot of kids brought up on abstinence-only education have a lot of oral and anal sex and claim it doesn't count.

lol, except that the people in my school district go on to have tons and tons of sex in middle/high school anyway--the kind that "counts*--and then proceed to have tons of children. Obviously this method of sex education is working so well when 64 out of nearly 500 girls were pregnant at a high school in the district a couple years ago, some of them with their second child.

I found a copy of the state law for sex-ed programs...very interesting. http://choosetoday.org/legislation/bill189.asp?ident=main:legislation.bill189

Re: "ever more liberal sex education"

[vovat.livejournal.com]

Wow, that bill is pretty offensive. "[C]onceiving children out of wedlock is likely to have harmful consequences for the child, parents, and society"? And what, such consequences never result from kids being born IN wedlock? Why people seem to think that being married makes people instantly ready to raise children (and, according to some of them, morally obligated to do so) is beyond me.

I Think Mom & Dad Had Sex

[bec-87rb.livejournal.com]

The first time I ever saw a condom was when I was rooting around in the top drawer of my father's dresser.

[bec-87rb.livejournal.com]

Hm, they made us put a condom on Charles Darwin, and swear allegiance to Robert E. Lee.

Ha ha - kidding about the condom.

[vovat.livejournal.com]

That's odd. They just made us put a condom on a crucifix, and then point it towards Mecca.

[bec-87rb.livejournal.com]

As sort of a FU to Islam, or an expression of the forbidden passion the Pope secretly harbors for Mohammad?

[vovat.livejournal.com]

You mean you didn't know that the Catholic Church started Islam (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0062/0062_01.asp)? I guess nobody told the popes who launched the Crusades.