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1. Maybe this is crazy on my part, but I don't really like following other people's cars, or other people following mine. The few times I've had to do that, it's worked out all right. Still, I'm always afraid that I'll lose them at a traffic light, or someone else will get in between us, or something like that.

2. I picked up The Tragic Treasury at a music store today. I've also read the first few chapters of The End. So far, no answers to any of the Big Mysteries in Lemony Snicket's series have been forthcoming.

3. Another thing I've been reading recently is Slate's Blogging the Bible series, in which a Jewish editor attempts to read the Bible all the way through, and comments on it as he goes. So far, he's gotten up through Judges. It's pretty interesting, and his take is neither overly snarky (like, say, the Skeptics' Annotated Bible, which I also enjoy) nor totally apologetic. He mentions both the good and the bad. I still hope to read the entire Bible someday myself, but I've only managed to get up through 1 Samuel so far.

4. You know what argument I'm tired of seeing? No, not "allowing gay marriage will also mean people will marry their pets" or "if you do [X], the terrorists win," although those are also pretty high up there. I'm talking about "if you don't believe in God, you're not accountable to anyone." Um, what about being accountable to society, and to your own conscience? It could also be argued that doing the right thing simply because you're concerned about how someone else will react to it is a mentality that we're supposed to grow out of, but that would be getting into some complicated issues of behavioral psychology and where morality comes from in the first place. Suffice it to say that people tend to share a lot of the same basic morals and ethics, regardless of their religion or lack thereof.

Date: 2006-10-19 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonxbait.livejournal.com
So recently my fiance and I have started attending the local UU church, in an effort to find some sort of community out here in eastern mass, and also because we do want our children to have some sort of religious understanding/education (which many of my friends who were not raised in a church seem to be sorely lacking). I really like the way they deal with religion...the underlying view being that *what* you believe is far less important than what you do with it. The national organization also publishes the jefferson bible which is the four gospels with all the miracles and improbablities deleted (no virgin birth, no rising frrom the dead, just the life and teaching if Jesus) which I think is excellent.

Date: 2006-10-20 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
I've noticed that some people who aren't particularly religious themselves still want to raise their children in a religious environment, which I can't say I totally understand. If you (not you specifically, but people do this) want to present their children with a choice, wouldn't it make more sense to take them to a lot of different places of worship, rather than just one? I guess a Unitarian church isn't a bad idea, though, since it apparently presents many different viewpoints as possibilities.

Still, while I don't think a religious upbringing is necessarily important to a child, I do think some children lack knowledge of the most basic Biblical ideas. Whether you think the Bible is God's Word, a work of fiction, or somewhere in between, it's still a significant part of our culture. I'm in favor of public schools making more of an effort to teach the basic ideas of major world religions without actually advocating (or dismissing) any of them, but I'm sure some parents object to that kind of thing.

The national organization also publishes the jefferson bible which is the four gospels with all the miracles and improbablities deleted (no virgin birth, no rising frrom the dead, just the life and teaching if Jesus) which I think is excellent.

Why does that remind me of the recent Internet trend of removing Garfield's thought balloons from Garfield comics? {g} Anyway, I think that's an interesting idea, especially when you take into account that scholars seem to think the earliest gospels were indeed "sayings gospels," which simply contained the words of Jesus without all of the narrative.

Date: 2006-10-21 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonxbait.livejournal.com
As far as raising children in a religious environment...I am not sure I would call a Unitarian church a religious environment. There are a fair number of people at our church who consider themselves secular humanists or non-theists. I think the value is more in that it is an environment of religious tolerance and understanding. Being around a large group of people who all think differently (relatively speaking...we live in a eastern mass and our minister is gay...there are not a lot of conservatives at our church) and still can be together in community is more valuable to me than having an academic understanding of religion. Also I was raised in a church and while I think a lot of the teaching (brainwashing)n was crap I had a lot of friends and social acitvities that revolved around church, much more so than at school so I think I want that for my kids also.

Date: 2006-10-22 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
I went to Sunday school when I was a kid, and I think I learned some interesting things, but I don't think I got much social development or group interaction out of it. From what I remember, most of the other kids spent the majority of the class time making paper airplanes out of the handouts (which, if I recall correctly, always had notices on them expressly forbidding photocopying).

Date: 2006-10-22 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonxbait.livejournal.com
I think it may depend on the church. Ours is very kid friendly and filled with kids (as was the one I went to when I was younger) So there are always a lot of social things going on aside from services and sunday school. I agree that a sunday school class (or a school class) is not an ideal place for socialization. My best friend growing up was a kid from church and we used to run around the grounds during coffee hour playing "super mario brothers" (I'll be mario...).

Get behind me, Koopa!

Date: 2006-10-23 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Well, see, Super Mario Bros. has great value as Biblical allegory. Mario and Luigi represent Moses and his brother Aaron. The Princess represents the Virgin Mary, and Yoshi is...I don't know, Balaam's ass or something.

Actually, there WAS an episode of the old Mario cartoon called "The Ten Koopmandments," where Mario parted the Red Sauce Sea to lead the Mushroom People out of Pyramid Land.

Date: 2006-10-19 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] travspence.livejournal.com
I don't mind having people follow me but I loathe having to follow someone.

You can extrapolate that to all areas of my life, not just driving.

Date: 2006-10-20 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
People who follow me probably get annoyed, since I drive more slowly than most people seem to. I know that, when I've followed someone, I usually ended up driving faster than I otherwise would.

Date: 2006-10-19 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] revme.livejournal.com
I am kind of amused by the folks who say that (w/r/t #4), just because, like Penn says, it's basically saying "If I didn't believe in God, I would be out rapin' and killin' all over the place!" Just because, um, yeah. Religion =/= morality. Though it can provide a basis for same.

Date: 2006-10-20 12:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] loz
You know what argument I'm tired of seeing? No, not "allowing gay marriage will also mean people will marry their pets" or "if you do [X], the terrorists win," although those are also pretty high up there.

If you don't ban gay marriage, people will marry terrorist's pets!

Date: 2006-10-20 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Well, we certainly don't want anyone marrying Osama bin Laden's favorite camel, do we?

Date: 2006-10-20 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
So far, no answers to any of the Big Mysteries in Lemony Snicket's series have been forthcoming.

Good; when they ARE forthcoming, you WILL of course be keeping them under wraps...!

Date: 2006-10-20 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Well, if you define "wraps" as "an LJ cut," then sure. {g} I've now finished the book, and I think I've given fair warning about the spoilers. Still, if it's not enough, I guess I can create a filter to stop people from reading it before they're finished the book.

I actually wonder how many of my LJ friends are planning on reading The End. Aside from you, I know [livejournal.com profile] bethje wants to, but she loaned me her copy because she wouldn't have a chance to read it for a while. Other people have mentioned reading books in the Snicket series, but I'm not sure how far along they are. My posts on the series usually don't get many replies, but I don't know whether that's because people haven't read the books, or they just can't think of anything to say in reply to them.

Date: 2006-10-21 01:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] loz
*hops in*

I've only read the first three books so far. I need to get my hands on the others before I can come close to The End.

Date: 2006-10-22 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Well, get reading! {g} As you might have guessed, the books become more complex a little while down the line. The seventh (or possibly the eighth, depending on how you look at it) is the last one with the general pattern of the Baudelaires living with a new guardian, and Count Olaf dressing up in a ridiculous disguise that fools everybody except them.

Date: 2006-10-23 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinlibrarian.livejournal.com
So I've just spent the whole evening greatly enjoying Blogging the Bible... thanks for the link!

Date: 2006-10-23 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
You're welcome.

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