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The land where Quox lives lies on the other side of the world from Oz. If you're wondering what I mean by "the other side of the world," I mean that the characters in Tik-Tok of Oz reached it by falling down a tube tunneled and built through the planet by the magician Hiergargo. It's explained that they can fall all the way through due to acceleration, but Quox has no trouble flying slowly through the whole thing, so I have to suspect that some sort of magic is at work. Assuming the tube runs more or less straight through the center of the Earth, this other country would be located at the antipodes of Oz (or of Ev, anyway). So where's that? Well, we obviously don't know exactly where Oz is located, and some people suspect it isn't on our planet at all. I get the impression that Baum originally intended it to be, and the idea of a land in the middle of the Pacific Ocean that hadn't been discovered yet was more tenable in his time than ours. He does refer to the Ozian island-continent as being in the Nonestic Ocean, but is it possible that this is just the local name for the body of water? After all, it could technically be argued that the Earth has only one ocean anyway, with the divisions being more of a cultural thing than anything else. Ruth Plumly Thompson makes things a little more difficult by having Captain Salt sail across the Nonestic to the long continent of Tarara, which might be a little harder to hide. Nonetheless, the previous book (Speedy in Oz) had Umbrella Island flying over both Oz and the United States with no indication of world-jumping technology being employed. It's a rather common thought among fans nowadays that Oz is in another dimension, but what does this actually MEAN? It certainly wouldn't be a dimension in the sense that length, width, height, and time are considered to be dimensions. Perhaps a better term would be "astral plane," but even that is pretty ambiguous. Regardless, if Oz IS located on Earth, it's probably in the Pacific not too far from America, which would make its antipodes somewhere in the Indian.

Baum seems to have wanted to give his other-side-of-the-world fairyland (I believe it was Aaron Adelman who suggested the name "Antozia") a sort of Oriental flavor, with its dragons that are noble instead of vicious. It's also the homeland of a fellowship of fairy kings and queens, led by the Private Citizen, also known as the Great Jinjin. His name is Tititi-Hoochoo, which has kind of a smutty sound to it, but the most likely explanation I've seen for it is that it's supposed to sound like a sneeze. Not much has been done with the Antozian lands, but a few characters did pay a visit there in The Gardener's Boy of Oz, which reveals that Tititi-Hoochoo's country borders on the Land of Sour Notes.

Date: 2009-05-27 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Since there's absolutely no way to fit another dimension in with canon storylines, I suggest that at some point Ozma, or someone, made the entire continent invisible and also impossible to go straight to, in the "Lost" kind of way ... in other words, it's still there in the Pacific, but we can't see it and ships go around without realizing it.

Date: 2009-05-30 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
I think that makes sense, although I might think Lurline would be more likely than Ozma to be the one who hid the entire continent. It's one thing for Ozma and Glinda to make their own country invisible, but I don't think they really have any say over the surrounding lands (well, except the Nome Kingdom, I guess).

There was an Oziana story in the eighties that had a military expedition accidentally finding the Ozian continent using radar, even though it was invisible to the naked eye.

Date: 2009-05-30 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Radar, I hadn't thought of that ...

Date: 2009-05-30 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
I guess it kind of ties in with the idea that Baum could communicate with Oz via wireless telegraph.

Date: 2009-06-02 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
It sure does. And I wonder what a satellite would see if it looked down over Oz?

Date: 2009-06-02 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Maybe the fairy world has set up barriers against being viewed by satellites. Actually, I've done a little bit of work on a story that involves a magician in Noland who drives off flying saucers, so maybe protecting the land from satellites could also be one of his responsibilities.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Where would the flying saucers actually be from, in your story? Little green men wouldn't seem particularly odd, on that continent.

Date: 2009-06-05 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Well, since the wizard never actually lets them land, it's sort of irrelevant. I do plan to have a town of aliens living in the Quadling Country in the same story, though.

Date: 2009-06-06 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Or maybe semicousins, who share three of the same mothers?

Date: 2009-06-06 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Well, in this fantasy world, why not?

Date: 2009-05-31 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] billiedoll.livejournal.com
I find it easier to think that Oz exists in the imagination.

I always thought that the bit about all of the fairy kings and queens being ruled over by the "Private Citizen" was a great Baum joke.

Date: 2009-05-31 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
But EVERYTHING exists in the imagination, doesn't it? :P

Date: 2009-05-31 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] billiedoll.livejournal.com
True, but it's less of a copout than a lot of other answers.

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