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L. Frank Baum never really said much about the language of Oz. He uses the narrative convenience of people in a magical fairyland speaking the same way as American visitors, but he doesn't go into much detail about it. At one point in Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz, however, Ozma mentions that the word Oz "means in our language 'Great and Good.'" So what language is this? Well, Ruth Plumly Thompson states in The Royal Book of Oz that the language of Oz is known as Ozish (spelled "Ozzish" in some later books), and is exactly the same as English. "Oz" meaning "great and good" certainly doesn't sound like English, though. Could this be an indication that Ozish is really a separate language, but Americans hear it as English? I've seen that suggested, but I don't really like it. Besides, wouldn't Americans then hear "Land of Oz" as "Land of the Good"? Well, maybe not. English speakers don't call Argentina the "Land of Silver." But since no Americans have any problems reading signs and letters written by Ozites, it seems like the translation magic would also have to affect written communication. Maybe the Babel Fish could handle that, but I don't know that anything we've seen in the Oz books could. So my preferred way of thinking is that Ozish started out as a totally different language from English, but was eventually replaced with English. We aren't told that much about Old Ozish, but the McGraws give us "nuffet," meaning "mid-morning." And in the non-canonical Queen Ann in Oz, Karyl Carlson and Eric Gjovaag claim that a "jemkiph" (the middle name of the former King of Oogaboo) is a date book. There's one poster on my Oz mailing lists who worked out some possible Old Ozish terms, based largely on proper names (for instance, he translated "Tattypoo" as literally meaning "Witch-Queen of the North"). And another one claims that Old Ozish is based on Gaelic. I suppose just about anything is possible, when the original authors told us very little.

I'll probably get a little more deeply into Ozian animal speech next week, but I think it's clear that they actually learn to speak upon reaching Oz (or sometimes its surrounding lands), rather than simply having their animal-talk magically translated. Hank the Mule comments on being able to talk "as Betsy does" at the end of Tik-Tok of Oz, while Toto prefers to use dog language even after it's revealed he doesn't have to. But would, say, a bull from Pamplona that somehow found its way into Oz gain the ability to speak English/Modern Ozish, or would he start speaking Spanish?

Date: 2009-01-28 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Here's another thing to think about: How can animals speak in a human language when their mouths and throats aren't designed to do so?

Date: 2009-01-29 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suegypt.livejournal.com
Not to mention their bwainsez

Date: 2009-01-29 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
Yeah, it would definitely take some doing, and I would imagine that some of them are still pretty unintelligible.

Date: 2009-01-29 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suegypt.livejournal.com
some of them are still pretty unintelligible

true of a lot of person-types, as well.

Date: 2009-01-29 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Well, I figured I'd stick to the physical structure necessary for speaking; lots of humans talk without using their brains, after all.

Date: 2009-01-28 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chhinnamasta.livejournal.com
Ozma mentions that the word Oz "means in our language 'Great and Good.'" So what language is this?

Hey, perhaps Ozzy Osbourne is speaking a pidgin of Ozzish and English, and this is why he's incomprehensible half the time!

Date: 2009-01-29 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
So is he the Great and Good Osbourne? {g}

Ozzy of Oz

Date: 2009-01-29 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
That would explain a lot ...

Date: 2009-01-29 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chhinnamasta.livejournal.com
...or the Great-and-Good-zy Osbourne, if we want to be pedantic.

Date: 2009-01-31 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] billiedoll.livejournal.com
He would probably start speaking English with a comedic Spanish accent and maybe make some bad language puns.

And let's not forget the ferry-man from "Lost Princess", who was deprived of his ability to understand animal speech. Which suggests that Oz is under some sort of "universal translator" enchantment which that guy has been somewhat exempted from.

Date: 2009-01-31 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vovat.livejournal.com
He would probably start speaking English with a comedic Spanish accent and maybe make some bad language puns.

Yeah, I'm guessing he'd sound something like Ricky Ricardo.

And let's not forget the ferry-man from "Lost Princess", who was deprived of his ability to understand animal speech.

That's definitely an oddity, since other references make it clear that animals talk IN ADDITION to making the sounds they do in non-fairy countries, yet the ferryman only hears their words as animal noises. I think there's more to the story, since the Tin Woodman is said to have inflicted this punishment on the man, and he doesn't have any magic powers that we know of.

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